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Jihad in Islam Part Two: The Lesser Jihad

Omar Hossino Staff Writer
Published 04-14-06
Graphic By: Julie Brennan
Last week, we spoke about the Greater Jihad, which is the striving against the lower self for obeying God. In this article, I will be discussing the Lesser Jihad, which concerns the rules of military combat.

The external Jihad is conditioned by the internal Jihad. One fighting in military combat must have cleansed his soul from evil such that he is sincerely fighting in God's command and not with a corrupted intention and soul. The external Jihad is divided into two parts: the defensive Jihad and the offensive Jihad. Both the defensive and offensive Jihad have rules and regulations which must be in place before performing.

The great classical scholar Ibn Tuffah said there are only two types of wars in Islam: just wars and unjust wars. A just war is a war which destroys the barriers to that which is beneficial and good, and an unjust war is that which acts as a barrier to that which is beneficial and good. The only time when a Muslim fights in warfare is to promote the good and eliminate the barriers which restrain the good.

The defensive Jihad is obligatory without disagreement of all Islamic scholars. When the Muslims are attacked with weapons of war by an enemy, it becomes obligatory for all in the area to resist and to fight in battle to defend themselves. If the Muslims in such an area cannot defend themselves, it becomes obligatory upon their neighbors to help them in repelling the aggressor.

The offensive Jihad is conditioned by the existence of an Islamic Caliphate. Without a Caliph, offensive Jihad is invalid and unlawful. Ibn Rushd al-Kabir stated that offensive fighting is only obligatory to the degree of keeping the borders of a Muslim state safe from hostility. Once the borders of the Muslim state become safe from hostility Jihad ceases from becoming obligatory.

Ibn Rushd al-Kabir said this in al-Muqaddimah:

"So, whenever we are placed beyond the reach of the enemy and the outlying districts of the Muslim lands are secured and the gaps in their fortifications are filled, the obligation to wage (military) jihad falls from all the rest of the Muslims."

The legal definition of military Jihad is as defined by the greatest and most important texts of Islamic jurisprudence, such as Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani in his Risalah, Ibn Rushd al-Kabir in his al-Muqaddimah, and Ibn Rushd al-Saghir in Bidiyat al-Mujtahid. That definition is, "When a Muslim fights against a non-Muslim who is without a treaty ('ahd), with the aim of making the word of God uppermost," hence a prerequisite to going into the enemy non-Muslim territory and fighting is that the non-Muslim territory currently is under no state of peace with the non-Muslim state! Permanent and temporary peace treaties are allowed in Islam, as is apparent through the very definition of military jihad given above; thus, if the non-Muslim state is in a state of peace with the Muslims, it is unlawful for an offensive incursion to incur into the non-Muslim territory.

Considering modern theories of international relations, especially Realism, I do not believe that any nation would deny itself the right to attack another nation which instigates a state of war. Islam as a way of life also affirms the right of the Muslim state to attack those nations in which exists a state of war. As the Realist doctrine states, that state survival is guaranteed best by power, principally military in character.

There are only two cases in which the offensive Jihad is obligatory upon the armies of a Muslim state: this is when the Caliph orders them to fight, in which case it is obligatory to obey the Caliph; and, to rescue Muslim prisoners of war when there is absolutely no other method which can be successful.

A Muslim state under a Caliphate has two types of countries as neighbors: those who have no type of peace agreement with the Muslims, and those who have either a temporary or permanent peace treaty with the Muslims. It is unlawful for the Muslim army to invade those nations with which it is in a state of peace. Under Islamic law, the Caliph is required to protect the borders of the Muslim state by sending armies to make sure the borders are safe. It is not required for the Caliph to send armies into the non-Muslim territory at which there is a state of war; the Caliph is, however, given this option due to the state of war that exists.

Before and during fighting, the Muslims should pray for God to guide their enemy to the truth and avert hostilities; Imam Nawawi stated, "not praying for your enemy is from jealousy." When fighting, the following people are not allowed to be killed unless they are actively fighting in battle: women, children, religious leaders, non-combatants, the blind, the mentally ill and the elderly. Bombs are disliked and shunned as weapons even if it is unlikely for civilians to be killed by them. If it is likely for civilians to be killed by these bombs, then the use of them is unlawful.

This can all be proven directly from the primary texts from the first Caliph Abu Bakr al-Siddiq (may God be pleased with him) and his advice to his military commander, which is recorded in Imam Malik's Muwattah:

"I advise you of ten things: Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter [animals] except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the materials captured in combat, and do not be cowardly."

Terrorism is absolutely unlawful, cursed and extremely sinful in the Islamic religion; some scholars have said that, if a Muslim says that terrorism is lawful, he has left Islam and become a non-Muslim due to the seriousness of the narrations which prohibit the killing of civilians and the use of violence outside of the framework of a just war. There are five different types of attacks in warfare, and they are discussed in Imam Khalil's Mukhtasar Khalil, a work on jurisprudence:

First is to attack the enemy from where the enemy is not on equal footing with one and is less likely to harm one. Second is to attack the enemy from where the enemy is on equal footing with one and may well harm one. Third is to attack the enemy from where it is most probable that the enemy will harm one. Fourth is to attack the enemy from where it is almost certain that the enemy will harm or kill one. Fifth is to attack the enemy using oneself as an "intelligent" bomb.

The fourth type of attacks are only permissible in exceptional circumstances when the Muslims are outnumbered. There is a major distinction between the fourth type of attacks and the fifth type of attacks: the fourth type of attacks occurs with a Muslim soldier entering into enemy territory fighting until killed, while the fifth type of attack occurs with a Muslim blowing himself up in front of the enemy. In the fourth type, the enemy kills the soldier, while, in the fifth type, the soldier kills himself. Suicide is unlawful and a major sin in Islam, and is never permitted. The vast majority of scholars believe type-five attacks, which have recently begun in the name of Islam are unlawful and a major sin because they result in suicide; when targeting civilians, there is absolute agreement that such attacks are impermissible and extremely sinful. The fifth type of attacks, in which the attacker is the direct cause of his own death have never happened in all of Muslim history until recently and directly contradicts the rules of warfare which exist in Islam.

In their fatwa or religious edict against terrorism, the council of American Muslim scholars unanimously stated:

"Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives. There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism. Targeting civilians' life and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram - or forbidden - and those who commit these barbaric acts are criminals, not 'martyrs.'"

The Qur'an, Islam's revealed text, states: "Whoever kills a person [unjustly]...it is as though he has killed all mankind..."

In the light of the teachings of the Qur'an and Sunnah (tradition of the Prophet Muhammad), we clearly and strongly state:

All acts of terrorism targeting civilians are haram (forbidden) in Islam.

It is haram (forbidden) for a Muslim to cooperate with any individual or group that is involved in any act of terrorism or violence.

It is the civic and religious duty of Muslims to cooperate with law enforcement authorities to protect the lives of all civilians.

Another document, signed by over 40 of the most major Muslim scholars in the entire world including the most well-known names in the Middle East, said:

"We appeal to all Muslims to exercise self-restraint in accordance with the teachings of Islam and we reject countering an act of aggression by acts not sanctioned in Islam, such as breaking treaties and breaching time-honoured agreements by attacking foreign embassies or innocent people and other targets. Such violent reactions can lead to a distortion of the just and balanced nature of our request or even to our isolation from the global dialogue."

The military Jihad is free of the disgusting blemishes of terrorism. Dr. Mostafa al-Badawi, Islamic scholar and translator, wrote, in his book Man and the Universe, summarizing the purpose of military Jihad:

"Outward conflict, the battle against the outer forces of evil, is the Smaller Jihad. These forces can cause chaos within societies and among nations. Outer chaos is triggered off by aggression, coercion, the pursuit of national interests without regard for other nations and to their detriment, imposing ideologies by force, and all kinds of overt and covert imperialism."

"That conflict sometimes escalates into open warfare is an undeniable fact of life. Islam, being realistic and practical, does not preach all-out pacifism and then set out to do the opposite. According to the Islamic perspective war is justifiable only on the condition that it be 'holy'--waged strictly for the sake of God according to His law. Therefore, it has to be necessary, unavoidable, needed to repulse aggression or defend a just cause and the justice of cause needs to be defined according to religious criteria, not national, economic, or any other."


Omar is a freshman student at Radford University who believes in combating prejudice towards all groups campus-wide....

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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

great article. i love how you show the evils of terrorism and the true purposes behind things.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

I'll put a jihad on you.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

Give it a freakin rest. I'm sick of all this Muslim crap. Where is equal time for a Jewish article? Or a Hindu? Or even a Buddist? Go back to vent where you belong. Or better yet, stop already.
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Posted by Reality

Whether outward aggression is the smaller or larger jihad, the fact that it merely exists is reason alone to create distrust.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"Bombs are disliked and shunned as weapons even if it is unlikely for civilians to be killed by them" What do you call a plane loaded with fuel that is flown into a building? sounds like a bomb to me.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"Fifth is to attack the enemy using oneself as an "intelligent" bomb." Is it just me or is this a manifest advocating homicidal bombers?
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY DAMN ISLAM ARTICLES? ONE OR TWO WAS FINE AT THE BEGINNING, BUT YOU DONT EVEN SEE ERSKINE, FOUGHT, OR GUNTER WRITING EVERY WEEK ABOUT CHRISTIANITY. WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THEM OR NOT IS IRRELEVANT. LET IT GO!
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Posted by Unknown

Why are you shouting?? Calm down, take a chill pill, and rest for a few days. I have a question for you. Why are you complaining? If you don't want to read the Islamic articles, don't read or respond to them. Let it go Some Anonymous Whim Reader! Get a life!
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Posted by Reality

He does have a point though. The last numbers I have seen say Muslims account for around, probably a little less, then 3% of our population. Simply by viewing this magazine one could come to the conclusion that the rest of us were in the minority. We get your point already... Neither you nor Brian have been able to produce any new argument, but instead reword the same arguments we have seen since first semester. Let it go, man. It's over. If you prefer, no one won or lost... we just have simply lost interest. As for the reader above me, why? Why should we stop questioning something we think is wrong? If you ignore this problem, it wont go away. Instead, I bessech Brian and Omar to just give it up. Even I have lost interest in it.
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Posted by Omar

"Fifth is to attack the enemy using oneself as an "intelligent" bomb." Is it just me or is this a manifest advocating homicidal bombers?

If you read only a few sentences ahead you will see I say that it is unlawful. Please read the full article first before shouting accusations.


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Posted by SAWR

we finally see that ray has no argument and can't defend himself so in his arrogance he asks 'no more!!'
To Reality
Posted by Brian S.

Reality, in the articles that I wrote they all have been different. I talked about food, how women are treated in society, the qur'an, and even purification of the heart. These are different topics--there is a common thread between these topics but they are all different. The arguments that everyone has made on this board has all been the same which are muslims are terrorists and they practice terrorism. I can not speak for Omar and he might agree with me on this but my intention is not to create a game and having someone win or lose. This isn't a win or lose situation. If you don't want to read the articles and you lost interest, simply don't read them or respond to the article. Thank you.
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Posted by Omar

I simply write these articles to clarify misconceptions and condemn terrorism as I see it as my responsibility. Thank you.
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Posted by Josho

Praying for your enemy. Interesting concept. Good article, Omar!
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Posted by Josho

Another thing... ...I believe the same arguments in many situations are reworded because people are not understanding what is being discussed or taught, so the material must be reworded to allow for better comprehension of the reader. No, this isn't a blow to the people who read these articles and speak against them. I'm simply saying I admire Omar's perseverence and patience in regards to teaching many people about the truths of his religion and trying to clear up ignorance, but as long as there is ignorance, why should he give it up? I doubt he is writing for entertainment.
[ha]Sheesh.
Posted by Rick Snee

You people want articles about the other faiths? Write them. Submit them. Whim is an open forum. Considering this is a culture we rarely encounter in our daily lives--yet hear so much about--it's great to hear perspectives actual Muslims.
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Posted by poop

ray's argument goes somewhat like this (1) muslims blow shit up, (2) repeat (1) (3) that means anything that you say i will not read and i will not respond against because i have no response except talking about animal sex. (4) repeat (1). more and more people are seeing that ray has absolutely nothing to say and that he is afraid of these articles more than anything else.
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Posted by Unknown

when I last counted omar had 4 islam articles in this year, brian had maybe 4 as well. there are 19 seasons of whim...
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

How did this become an attack on Ray? I am also sick to death of having islam shoved down my throat every week. And wasn't Brian or someone asked to leave Whim? Why? Because he wrote of Christian subjects. so, I'm asking Whim to step up and ask him back so we can have a balanced forum again.
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Posted by Josho

I agree with Rick. You guys want a balanced forum? Then balance it, because it's open. Don't just complain until other people change it.
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Posted by Jeff

How is Islam shoved down your throat? It is an article on what the word jihad means last time I checked. I would love for some Jewish articles to also show up on the Whim if people can find someone to write them. Quit bitching and write your own articles, I remember that two weeks ago in the Tartan Erskine had an article which was 80% from the Bible, so shut up, Christians being discriminated against, Oh please. There is an article in the Tartan this week it is called "War on Christians is a War by Christians." THANKZ
uhh..
Posted by SAWR

How did this become an attack on Ray? uhh... last time i checked it was ray who does all the attacking. emancipate yourself from mental slavery.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

Bigotry is quite disgusting. (repeat x894)
Yes, yes, yes, we know Islam is the religion of peace...
Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

which is why muslims keep blowing themselves up and killing non-muslims all around the world. Your religion is sick.
Yes, yes, yes, we know Islam is the religion of peace...
Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

which is why muslims keep blowing themselves up and killing non-muslims all around the world. Your religion is sick.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"Your religion is sick." And THIS would be why we still need the articles. Now if people would actually read them . . . Yes, READ them. Aaaaaaall the way through, not just scrolling down to hit the "Post" button.
A serious question.
Posted by Ray

All the articles in the world won't change the fact this is true. Instead of trying to convince us they are peaceful, why dont they (Brian and Omar) try to convince other Muslims to stop blowing people up?
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"And THIS would be why we still need the articles."

I'm sorry, but a religion that tries to compel people to act like it's the 8th century AD IS SICK. It's taking the right's "family values" thing to an absurd extreme. It would be kind of funny, if it didn't kill so many people.

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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"And THIS would be why we still need the articles."

I'm sorry, but a religion that tries to compel people to act like it's the 8th century AD IS SICK. It's taking the right's "family values" thing to an absurd extreme. It would be kind of funny, if it didn't kill so many people.

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Posted by SAWR

All the bitching in the world will not change the fact that Ray Gunter is full of horse shit.
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Posted by SAWR

Instead of saying that something isn't true, why don't you try to discuss points in the actual article for a change. Oh yeah I forgot, I am talking to RAY GUNTER... the same guy who shit his pants when he couldn't underage drink. Did you even read Omar's article?
So everybody who disagrees with you...
Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"Oh yeah I forgot, I am talking to RAY GUNTER..."

MUST be Ray? Keep dreaming...

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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"All the articles in the world won't change the fact this is true. Instead of trying to convince us they are peaceful, why dont they (Brian and Omar) try to convince other Muslims to stop blowing people up?".... geez I forgot that no war was ever waged in the name of Christianity! Ignorant SOB's... Christians are war mongers! Look at our lovely devout Christian president.
"Do something!"
Posted by Rick Snee

I love how everyone keeps saying Omar isn't doing enough. He's not pinning down terrorists at gunpoint, 24-style, so he's not doing enough? Honestly, what do you expect? He's speaking out against violence, as you all claim Muslims do not. When was the last time you physically took on the KKK for misrepresenting Christianity? Your expectations are ridiculous and rude.
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Posted by MO

way to go Omar. i really find this article to be cool but when you say and expose the truth a lot of crack butt heads will not accept it. keep up the cool work.
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Posted by Blake

"Whim is an open forum."

Ha!

Blake's Blog
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

Yes, Blake, we know you hate Whim.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"Christians are war mongers! Look at our lovely devout Christian president"

There are a few nations out there that don't have people with some form of religion at the helm of state...I hear Communist China is accepting "Liberal" immigrants from the US...something about a cash and carry "organ-donor" program... ;)

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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"but when you say and expose the truth a lot of crack butt heads will not accept it."

Two points: First, keep drinking the Kool-Aide. Secondly, I think you are mixing your metaphors with the "crack butt head" comment. ESL is tougher than you thought, eh?

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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"Instead of trying to convince us they are peaceful, why dont they (Brian and Omar) try to convince other Muslims to stop blowing people up?" So your assuming that Brian and Omar have regular contact with violent Muslims (without proof) who "blow people up" (without proof) and are not doing their duty to stop them (without proof) meaning they would be in-fact supporting terrorism (without proof). You should take back your statement, it is libel and defaming.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

Ray, how exactly do you propose for Omar to contact these people? Are you honestly this dumb? Contacting terrorists is a crime.
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Posted by Ray

It's not about contacting them, its about writing to your audience. He is preaching down at us, when instead he should write to them. Regardless of if they will see it or not, at least his intentions will be more noble. If I want to be lectured at, I'd go class more often.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

Considering how ignorant people are on here, taking a small minority of people who are terrorists and applying it to the greater whole of the religion, maybe they need articles directed to you and I.

I also thought Omar wrote an article saying how the Muslim reaction to Mohammad cartoons were embarassing and wrong?

Besides, not ALL terrorists are Muslims, just like not ALL Muslims are terrorists. It isn't Omar's burden to make you open your eyes and stop being prejudicial.

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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

Ray listen to what you are saying. Omar is writing articles about Islam to try to stop steriotypes and prejudicial opinions that all Muslims are terrorists. Since you have nothing left to say, you ask a (freshman?) college student in Radford Virginia to go out on a COLLEGE STUDENT RUN magazine and make terrorists his audience? You make no sense. Good articles Omar, I think we should meet in the future. I will be contacting you via email.
LMAO
Posted by I Love Rick Snee

Totally loving what you said (and laughing my ass off):

"Do something!" Posted by Rick Snee I love how everyone keeps saying Omar isn't doing enough. He's not pinning down terrorists at gunpoint, 24-style, so he's not doing enough? Honestly, what do you expect? He's speaking out against violence, as you all claim Muslims do not. When was the last time you physically took on the KKK for misrepresenting Christianity? Your expectations are ridiculous and rude.


this is not Ray
Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

The expectations of any Muslim speaking out against terrorism is not ridiculous. Does Omar belong to a mosque? What do the members of his specific group of Muslims say about terrorism? Do they not hold seminars, etc to encourage a peaceful coexistance? If not, than Omar and any other Muslim should leave that group and find one that does. I am a Methodist by birth, but I broke with my church when they came out in support of the PLO. They no longer get my money or my personal support. Muslims should do the same thing. Shit or get off the pot and stop preaching to the choir.
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Posted by Omar

My mosque speaks out against terrorism all the time and has organized many lectures against it along with millions of mosques across the nation. As for myself speaking out against terrorism, please scroll up on you scrolling bar. I have written articles against terrorism, I have spoken out against it, and I continue to speak out against it. Thanks, Omar.
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Posted by Mo

"Whim is an open forum." i know and that's why you keep poping up,C.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"WHY ARE THERE SO MANY DAMN ISLAM ARTICLES? ONE OR TWO WAS FINE AT THE BEGINNING, BUT YOU DONT EVEN SEE ERSKINE, FOUGHT, OR GUNTER WRITING EVERY WEEK ABOUT CHRISTIANITY. WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THEM OR NOT IS IRRELEVANT. LET IT GO!"

Uhhh, did you read last semester? Every week it was neocon-this, fundamentalist Christianity that. But of course, no one complained.

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Posted by Brian last 02-03-06 Issue 3

"Does Brian hate people like Zoe Brown, Rick Snee, Christian Keesee, angry letter writers, Steve Tollin, SPECTRUM, BAP, or Young Democrats? They always seem to disagree. Brian is even, at times, really tough on them. Well folks, here is the answer: NO. There are a few important things that we all share. These things overshadow everything else. We all love freedom. We respect each other and the right to vehemently disagree. We want what is best for our country. We respect each other. Something I am hoping to add to this list is understanding."
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

Not sure what that is trying to prove. Brian during this semester, during the election run, wrote drastically different articles, than last semester. From checking the archives, last semester isn't up.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

People change, maybe his isn't a pompous self righteous ass that is incapable of believing that he could ever be wrong anymore. Yah, and maybe Ray actually read this artical.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

Once again, someone mentions Ray. what's up with that? Debate the article. Ray didn't even write this one
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Posted by Ray

I did read it. I read reasons why it is ok to fight.

"That conflict sometimes escalates into open warfare is an undeniable fact of life. Islam, being realistic and practical, does not preach all-out pacifism and then set out to do the opposite."

I dont agree with this. If you think conflict is inevitable, then it becoems a self fulfilling prophesy. Instead, why not say "turn the other cheek?" Why not strive for all out passiveness? Because violence and the use of force is the basis of your religion.

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Posted by Josho

Violence is the basis of Islam? Let us reflect upon the witch trials, Inquisition, and Crusades (which, I will admit, Muslims took part in as well) before you go accusing Islam of having its foundations built in violence. I believe Islam recognizes that war exists and sets up the proper guidelines under which it can be properly conducted. After you all, you see our Christian president as a huge supporter, in fact the frontman, behind our current war in Iraq -- way to be passive, eh? I'm sorry that Islam is different from your religion and you can't understand it, but in the words of Benjamin Disraeli: "How much easier it is to be critical than correct."
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Posted by Ray

But when people pervert the basis of the religion and commit evil is totally different than when there is violence rooted in the founding. I would like to know how the Inquistion (or those who carried it out) used the teachings of Jesus to get rid of the Muslims. As I understand it, it was a political move that happened to be carried out by Christians and not a movement carried out in the name of Christianity.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

Ray, are you a pacifist? If not then I think it is unavoidable that war is an undeniable fact of life, read Thomas Hobbes and take Professor Radford's class called "Intro to International Relations."
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"But when people pervert the basis of the religion and commit evil is totally different than when there is violence rooted in the founding." Mathew 10:34 - Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

^^^ out of context
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Posted by Josho

Ray, you misunderstood me. I said Muslims were involved in the Crusades, in which they were the enemies of the Christians, so both sides were violent in that example. During the Inquisition, Christianity, (known then as the Church, the only representative of Christianity), sought to stamp out any opposing ideas other than the one it sold. It did this through violence and torture. Why would it seek to do this? How terrible.
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Posted by Ray

Read Hobbes? Why? Why don't you read Locke or Burke? Intro to politics? Woohoo. Try Modern Political Thought (POSC 371 I think) with Gill. War is inevitable if you believe it is inevitable. Just because you may never reach utopia, if you strive for it, you'd be surprised how close you can come.

As for the Church acting immoral way back when. Yea, they did. But we had something called reformation. A few of them actually. Does the Vatican still call for a crusade? Not a physical one. Do the "holy men" of Islam still call for jihad (whichever one advocates war with the infidels)? Yes.

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Posted by Josho

If you still don't understand the meaning of the word 'jihad' and its context after two informative articles (plus any personal research you could have done), then I don't see any point in arguing this further. It's obvious you're arguing from a standpoint of prejudice, and have nothing to substantiate your claims except the actions of a very twisted, vocal minority of Islam. This discussion was interesting while it lasted, however, and while Omar unfortunately was unable to reach some of the farther-gone members of the RU community, I'm glad he's still getting the word out. If one person is educated from the reading of this article, it was worth it.
Why do we need 3 articles?
Posted by Ray

"It's obvious you're arguing from a standpoint of prejudice, and have nothing to substantiate your claims except the actions of a very twisted, vocal minority of Islam."

I don't want to repeat myself, so how about you check the my postings towards the bottom of Omar's other failed articles

And fearing having someone hit you with a car does not make you bigotted, it makes you wise for trying to keep it from happening.

Why Do We Need 3 Articles
Posted by Unknown

To get ignorant people like you to understand instead of always thinking they know everything.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

It makes you bigoted if you think all Muslims want to hit you with a car. Also makes you an idiot.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

So, you honestly feel that Muslims at RU want to hit you with a car, but you won't understand if homosexuals feel threatened by the article in The Tartan?
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"It makes you bigoted if you think all Muslims want to hit you with a car."

Who said ALL muslims want to hit people with cars? The problem is that muslims don't come with signs attached telling their motives or mental state, and it's demonstrably correct that at least some muslims want to hit people with cars or airplanes or donkeys or whatever.

Do you remember Kunstler's "Black Rage" defense? Does anybody doubt that a "Muslim Rage" defense is far off?

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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"but you won't understand if homosexuals feel threatened by the article in The Tartan?"

I didn't see the Tartan article. I'd suggest that any homosexuals who feel threatened check THIS site out. No joke..."Armed gays don't get bashed."

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Posted by Ray

it's demonstrably correct that at least some muslims want to hit people with cars or airplanes or donkeys or whatever. Haha, that made me chuckle.
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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"Haha, that made me chuckle."

It shouldn't. See HERE We've got our share of crazies, too. But at least they don't try to kill people as a rule.

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Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader

"Run, donkey, run!" from Shrek
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